Why do I read the FP anymore?

"Logansteno: Bought a VW?" (logansteno)
04/30/2014 at 11:13 • Filed to: None

Rant inside.

For the amount of people on the FP that were oogling over the Z/28, Z06, Z06 'vert, the new Cadillacs, and upcoming V models, they sure do think GM should've died now that they know the government lost money saving them. Because the hundreds of billions of dollars we spend on the military being involved in wars that aren't our problem is more important than saving a company that has millions of jobs around the world.

I'm just gonna stick to Oppo.

Have Z06.

DISCUSSION (44)

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/30/2014 at 11:15

I'm starting to like GM less and less for several reasons, and liking them for others, but all the idiots/assholes commenting on the FP has driven me to spend more time on Oppo. I like you guys better. lol :)

CalzoneGolem > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/30/2014 at 11:16

It has always been like this.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/30/2014 at 11:16

this is what i was talking about in a big article i wrote a ways back about how the government lost money on GM. Everyone freaked on me and said yeah well ford benefited too! (in snarky annoying little kid voice). Yeah, from loans that they had to pay back, and not at an 11billion + loss at the government.

people lose there minds over this whole thing STILL.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > CalzoneGolem
04/30/2014 at 11:16

I swear it gets worse every day though.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/30/2014 at 11:16

Congrats, its that special time that comes in a young Opponauts life when you realize that FP kinda sucks, and that Oppo is just better.

Anima > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/30/2014 at 11:18

It has turned worse and worse over the past half year. It wasn't pretty to begin with but now it has descended to (or below) youtube comment levels.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
04/30/2014 at 11:19

GM payed back the amount the government said they owned, or so I thought. But still, 11 billion dollars is pocket change compared to what those idiots on capital hill spend on a bunch of other stupid shit.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis
04/30/2014 at 11:20

It's sad, because there are some really interesting stories on the FP. But they all get ruined by the idiots that think they know absolutely everything.

HammerheadFistpunch > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/30/2014 at 11:23

fb bitching isnt much better than fp comments really. Were glad you like us though here in oppo, we like you too

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow
04/30/2014 at 11:23

As someone who's grown up around GM products, they'll always have my full support no matter how hard shit hit's the fan. I'll say they probably could've handled the ignition switch thing a little better in court, but it's not like they're ignoring the problem. They're moving switches out as fast as they can to fix it.

Stay on Oppo, it's just better.

CalzoneGolem > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/30/2014 at 11:26

I sneak out there every now and again so I guess I really don't know how it is. I've been avoiding it for years though.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > CalzoneGolem
04/30/2014 at 11:28

The only reason I ever venture out is when Oppo is slow, or to read the Morning Shift. And the comments on todays MS was what pissed me off.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/30/2014 at 11:30

Agreed. My gripe with GM mainly comes from my observance that they haven't really been making the best products for the market. Granted, they are coming out with some great performance cars now and they have they are bringing the diesel mid-size pickup back to the US! (I want one so bad. lol) But to see a company ask for help because they didn't adapt to the market and then seemingly continue to not make the right products is disappointing. They are getting there, but not like other companies. I used to prefer GM to Ford, but not anymore. I think Ford has done an excellent job of making cars that greatly appeal to both the general market and the enthusiast niche. Couple that with them not taking a bailout, and you've got an auto company that is after my heart. lol

Sorry to sort of go off topic. I wanted to post a response to that article on FP, but didn't want to deal with the barrage of ignorant replies (peppered with maybe a few replies that have a rational approach).

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/30/2014 at 11:30

i agree completely.

especially their own salaries, which they keep FOR LIFE.

oh and they can pass their own raises, and they would be the only ones that could cut their own pay, or cancel the "for life" salaries.

CalzoneGolem > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/30/2014 at 11:32

I always go to graverobber's post and I look at Truck Yeah! and whatever Jason, Travis or Doug post.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow
04/30/2014 at 11:40

There are definitely some products in their portfolio that need some work (Equinox, Terrain, Cruze, Malibu, Express, Savana, SRX, and Verano) but most of those are due for a refresh in the next few years that'll hopefully make them a better overall product. Some of those cars have been around since before their Bankruptcy or right afterwards.

I guess I have a thing for companies that we're weeks away from closing but end up coming back swinging, because Chrysler is another company that I like.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > CalzoneGolem
04/30/2014 at 11:42

Yup, sounds about right. Throw in some of Orlove's stuff though.

Carl (@stuffcarlsays) > Anima
04/30/2014 at 11:45

FIRST!!!

jariten1781 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
04/30/2014 at 11:50

What? That's not how the Congressional pension system works... They're maxed out at 80% pension which they can only collect after 20-25 years in service and only once they reach 50 if they retire. They can all collect a relatively small pension once they're 62 if they served five years. A house member who serves <3 terms gets nothing. It's in line with normal govt employee pensions. The average annuity is something like 40k for people who qualified.

I've seen this before and always wonder where it comes from.

Here you go: http://www.voicesfortroops.org/Learn_More/Lea…

wkiernan > CalzoneGolem
04/30/2014 at 11:53

No, not really. I can remember election years all the way back to 1964, and I can tell you for sure that before the 2000s I never, never saw legislators and pitchmen for either political party openly hoping for and cheering the bankruptcies of America's biggest corporations, nor did I ever see legislators of either party ever respond to a business recession with policies deliberately intended to keep unemployment high. Even the maniacs who impeached Bill Clinton over a blow job didn't intentionally work to raise the jobless rate. There's just something special about President Obama that has brought the craziness of the opposition to such a fever pitch; gosh, I wonder what it might be?

Kinja'd!!!

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/30/2014 at 11:53

See, I think Chrysler is doing a better job than GM is. I think their cars a more appealing both visually and in terms of performance. Ford>Chrysler>GM. My domestic rankings. Although I'm generally a Japanese import fan, Ford has worked its way into the ranks of my favorite manufacturers. Oddly enough, Hyundai seems to be trying to become a contender for one of those positions as well. haha

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > jariten1781
04/30/2014 at 11:57

The more you know, thanks for providing proper information.

I still think they make too much money at an average of 174k a year in 2012. The amount of work they actually do vs pay they receive seems way high.

Same time I'm glad they pay into their pensions and all the other points made in your link.

desertdog5051 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/30/2014 at 11:59

I read TMS, AOTD and COTD. Sometimes I read a post that looks good. I never comment and rarely read the comments. It never used to be so bad.

CalzoneGolem > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/30/2014 at 12:02

oh yeah aboslutely!

CalzoneGolem > wkiernan
04/30/2014 at 12:03

By "it" i was referring to the FP.

wkiernan > CalzoneGolem
04/30/2014 at 12:07

Oh.

Never mind!

Kinja'd!!!

jariten1781 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
04/30/2014 at 12:08

Yeah, makes me wonder why someone started spreading the made-up nonsense...there's plenty of legit reasons to dislike Congress.

CalzoneGolem > wkiernan
04/30/2014 at 12:09

I wasn't very clear.

Anima > Carl (@stuffcarlsays)
04/30/2014 at 12:11

YOURE MOM WAZ FIRRST!!11!

Enginerrrrrrrrr > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/30/2014 at 12:14

Yeah, it's getting worse. I have been at a battle with some guy over Hydrogen vs. electric vehicles in our very distant future. His arguments are... weak at best.

This keeps happening when I post to the front page.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > jariten1781
04/30/2014 at 12:18

Hahaha, true.

At least you've helped get one less person to spread it. I'd even edit my previous comment but it won't let me

Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/30/2014 at 12:50

I just read the article from the guy who was there when Senna died, the comments were terrible. People getting mad over finding out Senna died when they are only half way through the movie. People are just heartless.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif
04/30/2014 at 14:13

I..Just..WHAT!? Jesus Christ people, get your shit together!

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Enginerrrrrrrrr
04/30/2014 at 14:14

I'm shocked I haven't gotten some half-assed reply regarding what I posted on the morning shift about if we should've saved GM in the first place.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow
04/30/2014 at 14:20

Chrysler has to be my favorite of the domestic companies right now. They're trying their hardest to come back as the best of the best, and I think they're achieving it. The Grand Cherokee's level of luxury rivals the best the German's have to offer. They're the last company making TWO american RWD V8 sedans. And you can't go without mentioning the SRT division and their masterpieces. It's hard to believe that just a few years ago they we're making some of the worst cars in the world. In terms of a comeback, they've definitely came back swinging. Hard.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/30/2014 at 14:23

Agreed. Seeing as I'm on the lower price end for potential cars though, I'd like to have seen the Dart and 200 be a bit more of contenders against the Fiesta and Focus STs. They are both quality cars, but making a much more performance oriented trim would have been really nice to see. Perhaps in time.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow
04/30/2014 at 14:25

The Dart really just needs the 3.2 PentaStar dropped under the hood. Those little 4 cylinder engines aren't cutting it. The 2.4 is okay, but the 3.2 would make a great Dart SRT6

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/30/2014 at 14:32

I could definitely see that being a sweet car, especially if they put a 6-spd manual in it. The Dart has potential, Chrysler just needs to decide they really want to pursue the enthusiast market. Given their relatively recent big push into rally/rallycross, sponsoring Pastrana, this would seem like a smart way to go. It seemed like they hoped having a rally racing "Dart" would be enough to push the car, and I know a few people who bought them somewhat based off that, but the performance wasn't there to back it up. Maybe after seeing the huge success Ford has had with the Focus ST, and now Fiesta ST, they will decide its a market they want to pursue. *fingers crossed*

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow
04/30/2014 at 14:44

If Dodge does that, chevy needs to make a Cruze SS and a Sonic SS

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/30/2014 at 14:48

Yeah, the Sonic RS seems to be marketed like a little hot hatch but can't hold a candle to the Fiesta ST. To be fair though, Chevy didn't have a great 4cyl engine platform to work with like Ford did.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow
04/30/2014 at 14:49

They have that lovely little 2.0T from the old Cobalt and new ATS. That would be perfect.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/30/2014 at 14:57

That would be good. Someone at Chevy needs to get on this. However, it won't be out soon enough, and I just really like the Fords, so I am still planning on buying a Focus ST this summer. lol

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow
04/30/2014 at 14:59

I'd love to pick up a Fiesta ST in a few years. But maybe by then Chrysler and Chevy will have a proper hot compact.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/30/2014 at 15:22

Good luck!